Scamming Bastards Took Money From My Kasikorn and Wise Accounts

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40,000 Baht from WISE (after a thwarted attempt to move 40k into Mexican Pesos 2 weeks earlier), transferred to an account with GSB in Bangkok.

49,500 Baht from Kasikorn to SCB in Samut Prakhan. That was against a OTP.

Obviously, I never knowingly download anything where the source is not known to me, but WISE and K Bank believe that malware must have been inadvertently downloaded at some point.

I am posting this simply to warn others because it is f*#king nuisance when accounts get 'frozen'.

WISE returned the money in 2 days - but only after I supplied evidence of a complete deep clean of my PC and the installation of Malwarebytes.

Kasikorn today agreed to refund the 49.5k some two weeks after the event. K Bank only pay 'compensation' by cheque and I have to make arrangements to collect at a convenient branch..... Unfortunately, they don't have any in Alicante so I shall have to wait until 18th July!!

The K Bank fraud was at 1:05 and at 1:25 the following day an American called me claiming to be from K Bank's international department. He said that I may have inadvertently set the daily transaction limit to zero which meant I couldn't transfer anything - and suggested I increased it to 50k....the bastards were only having another nibble.

I still don't have access to the K biz application because we were trying to reinstall it and set up a 2 step authorisation process; K Bank's systems had on record a passport from 2011. They are updating their records and I should be OK in 4 days time!

Kasikorn have actually been great and, unlike any other financial institution that I have dealt with, "Atalayah" has taken ownership of me from day one - she is always the person that contacts me. She has shown empathy and understanding throughout and is very professional. She also sounds beautiful and if she ever needed a job, I would give her one....

As an aside, when I did my police report at the local police station, the police said that KTB and Krungsri were considered to be the most 'secure' Thai banks.

With WISE the fraudster transferred 1k to my account and seconds later moved 40k to GSB.

I am surprised that 40k was allowed to be transferred to a brand new beneficiary without further security checks. In the UK Monzo, for example, would require facial recognition or biometrics.

I am even more surprised that there wasn't stronger security at K Bank for a transfer of 49.5k to a brand new beneficiary.

I always thought I was financially savvy and would never fall victim to a scam. That was arrogant of me and we are all potential victims (watch the film Beekeeper for a graphic example). It has shaken my confidence in financial systems and, worst of all, it validates the Luddites who draw out their pensions in cash the moment it comes I to the bank.... It has made me question whether my judgement of them is right!
 
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I too like you are very savvy where it comes to cyber security. I may say it is even a hobby. The layers I employ.

You can imagine how baffled I was and still am when some how my Australian visa number was leaked and I lost around $300 AUD to a Muslim restaurant in Melbourne Australia.
Now I hardly use that card except for Bank only ATM withdrawals and tap and go purchases in Australia. It must of happened there.
Would you believe that card was about to expire in a few days when all that happened and I started thinking that the new card sent to my address in Australia had been intercepted. But it had not, and did finally arrive, canceled !

PS Visa will not refund the money until I present in person to my bank written forms of declaration I was not in Melbourne.
Needless to say I cannot do that as I am in Thailand, and was the whole time. Lucky for me my bank did flag it and canceled my card on the second attempt.

Just so happened I restructured the way I do things due to that card expiring while I was in Thailand. Saved my self a small fortune by the way.
Lazy fool me.

It is damned scary that @CO-CO and myself that consider our selves savvy can be caught up. If you guys don't have a paid virus scanner and a paid VPN.
You are running a huge risk and you should wise up. Excuse the pun.
 
I too like you are very savvy where it comes to cyber security. I may say it is even a hobby. The layers I employ.

You can imagine how baffled I was and still am when some how my Australian visa number was leaked and I lost around $300 AUD to a Muslim restaurant in Melbourne Australia.
Now I hardly use that card except for Bank only ATM withdrawals and tap and go purchases in Australia. It must of happened there.
Would you believe that card was about to expire in a few days when all that happened and I started thinking that the new card sent to my address in Australia had been intercepted. But it had not, and did finally arrive, canceled !

PS Visa will not refund the money until I present in person to my bank written forms of declaration I was not in Melbourne.
Needless to say I cannot do that as I am in Thailand, and was the whole time. Lucky for me my bank did flag it and canceled my card on the second attempt.

Just so happened I restructured the way I do things due to that card expiring while I was in Thailand. Saved my self a small fortune by the way.
Lazy fool me.

It is damned scary that @CO-CO and myself that consider our selves savvy can be caught up. If you guys don't have a paid virus scanner and a paid VPN.
You are running a huge risk and you should wise up. Excuse the pun.

As usual, you are more ahead of the game than me. I perhaps had not been as security minded as I should have been. These events caused me to actually pay for IT security. If the £30 I paid prevents the stress, worry and time that I have just been through it will be one of the best investments I have ever made.

I actually have sympathy with the banks because it is a constant battle to stay one step ahead of the fraudsters. They must spend billions on cyber security. Whilst I have several friends in Thailand who have no need to step into the world of digital banking, much of the rest of the world does. Cash is not king (but IMO should always be available as a means of payment) it is expensive to handle, can be cumbersome in larger amounts and if lost/stolen it is gone forever. I got my money back.

The digital age is so convenient. I remember Midland Bank being one of the first banks to introduce cash dispensers.. 10 crispy (sorry Dave) £1 notes dispensed in a plastic holder. Transferring money overseas was a chore, costly and probably needed exchange control approval.

I will probably talk this one up, but the card fraud that @Rice referred to used to happen to me about once a year. No transaction got through to the card account because the bank's system was good enough to pick it up. Several times I have received a call to ask if the £35 payment to a book shop in Birmingham, or a pizza shop in Bolton were genuine. No risk of financial loss but it was a bloody nuisance to have the card stopped.
 
I had a similar thing happen to me about four years .
My Westpac credit card was used in New Zealand to buy a overseas fight ticket and a a hotel booking.
I cannot remember all the details now.
Total was about $3000 NZ
Westpac picked up very quick that something was not right.
Westpac were really fantastic and reimbursed me the money.
As you say Rice.
Have good security and VPN. Which I now have
 
I too like you are very savvy where it comes to cyber security. I may say it is even a hobby. The layers I employ.

You can imagine how baffled I was and still am when some how my Australian visa number was leaked and I lost around $300 AUD to a Muslim restaurant in Melbourne Australia.
Now I hardly use that card except for Bank only ATM withdrawals and tap and go purchases in Australia. It must of happened there.
Would you believe that card was about to expire in a few days when all that happened and I started thinking that the new card sent to my address in Australia had been intercepted. But it had not, and did finally arrive, canceled !

PS Visa will not refund the money until I present in person to my bank written forms of declaration I was not in Melbourne.
Needless to say I cannot do that as I am in Thailand, and was the whole time. Lucky for me my bank did flag it and canceled my card on the second attempt.

Just so happened I restructured the way I do things due to that card expiring while I was in Thailand. Saved my self a small fortune by the way.
Lazy fool me.

It is damned scary that @CO-CO and myself that consider our selves savvy can be caught up. If you guys don't have a paid virus scanner and a paid VPN.
You are running a huge risk and you should wise up. Excuse the pun.
@Rice, As I told you ages ago, I/ my Aus bank got scammed about 3 years ago. Luckily my bank picked it up and after contacting me, I was fully reimbursed==$3,500 AUD.
I am aware OFX takes longer and their rate is marginally lower however, they have a couple more security protocols on transferees that WISE do not have, just saying.
 
@Rice, As I told you ages ago, I/ my Aus bank got scammed about 3 years ago. Luckily my bank picked it up and after contacting me, I was fully reimbursed==$3,500 AUD.
I am aware OFX takes longer and their rate is marginally lower however, they have a couple more security protocols on transferees that WISE do not have, just saying.

I have no issues with WISE and their systems picked up the first fraud attempt. Kasikorn bank didn't. Creating a new beneficiary is a high risk transaction and should subject to two factor authorisation.
 
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