UK Pension Payments may be Stopped!

Ivor the Engine

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UK Pension Payments may be Stopped!
(Cut and pasted from a local newsletter)


British Expatriates have some more paperwork heading in their
direction, courtesy of the Pension Service and private pension
providers too. That may sound a bit like Big Brother intervention,
however, relatives of a deceased that have failed to inform the
pension provider of their demise, deliberately or otherwise, may be
illegally receiving your money under false pretences. Hence the
recently implemented approach to reduce the losses being suffered
by various UK pension pots.
Of course a spouse may be entitled to the pension of the deceased,
as happens with many schemes. However, regardless the death
must be officially notified, with a copy of the Death Certificate, to
the pension provider or designated organisation that does so for
them.
Recently I received a snail mail missive from the UK government
Pension Service that was accompanied by the inevitable form,
entitled, Life Certificate. It will have to be completed every 2 years
and you have 8 weeks from the date of their letter, to comply. If
failing to do so or it is received late, then your payments will cease!
Reactivating your pension payments may prove a tiresome exercise
that could take a financially significant time, maybe months, who
knows? Subsequently that could prove to be very embarrassing to
say the least.
The private pension sector is also pursuing the same avenue, as I
discovered recently. A letter from the Prudential, that was sent in
January, failed to reach me or I may have inadvertently overlooked
it and added it to their increasingly fat file of correspondence.
The result of not responding to the latter was, they stopped
payment of one of my pensions to find out if that would elicit any
response from me. It did! Luckily all it took was a couple of secure
emails though and all was in order again, payment reinstated. Had I
not responded then the other payments from them would have met
the same fate.
The Pension Service, Life Certificate is not particularly problematic
to complete although it has the attributes of a legal document,
which I suppose it is. Your signature has to be witnessed by a
suitably qualified person with their official stamp added for good
measure. Furthermore photographic proof has to be shown to the
witness in the form of your passport, drivers licence, etc.,
accompanied by the number and place of issue as well.
You cannot justifiably complain about the government and the
private pension sector looking after, what is our money or
contributions. Personally I'm all for it.
Those that cheat the system(s) are basically robbing us or to be
more precise everyone who is paying pension contributions. The
payments we eventually receive, at the prescribed time, will
inevitably be lower as a result of such criminal activity.
 
UK Pension Payments may be Stopped!
(Cut and pasted from a local newsletter)


British Expatriates have some more paperwork heading in their
direction, courtesy of the Pension Service and private pension
providers too. That may sound a bit like Big Brother intervention,
however, relatives of a deceased that have failed to inform the
pension provider of their demise, deliberately or otherwise, may be
illegally receiving your money under false pretences. Hence the
recently implemented approach to reduce the losses being suffered
by various UK pension pots.
Of course a spouse may be entitled to the pension of the deceased,
as happens with many schemes. However, regardless the death
must be officially notified, with a copy of the Death Certificate, to
the pension provider or designated organisation that does so for
them.
Recently I received a snail mail missive from the UK government
Pension Service that was accompanied by the inevitable form,
entitled, Life Certificate. It will have to be completed every 2 years
and you have 8 weeks from the date of their letter, to comply. If
failing to do so or it is received late, then your payments will cease!
Reactivating your pension payments may prove a tiresome exercise
that could take a financially significant time, maybe months, who
knows? Subsequently that could prove to be very embarrassing to
say the least.
The private pension sector is also pursuing the same avenue, as I
discovered recently. A letter from the Prudential, that was sent in
January, failed to reach me or I may have inadvertently overlooked
it and added it to their increasingly fat file of correspondence.
The result of not responding to the latter was, they stopped
payment of one of my pensions to find out if that would elicit any
response from me. It did! Luckily all it took was a couple of secure
emails though and all was in order again, payment reinstated. Had I
not responded then the other payments from them would have met
the same fate.
The Pension Service, Life Certificate is not particularly problematic
to complete although it has the attributes of a legal document,
which I suppose it is. Your signature has to be witnessed by a
suitably qualified person with their official stamp added for good
measure. Furthermore photographic proof has to be shown to the
witness in the form of your passport, drivers licence, etc.,
accompanied by the number and place of issue as well.
You cannot justifiably complain about the government and the
private pension sector looking after, what is our money or
contributions. Personally I'm all for it.
Those that cheat the system(s) are basically robbing us or to be
more precise everyone who is paying pension contributions. The
payments we eventually receive, at the prescribed time, will
inevitably be lower as a result of such criminal activity.

This has always been the case.

For those that receive the UK state pension, and have fraudulently stated they are living permanently in the UK, when they are Thai residents, the letter could cause a problem. Will it be sent to a real UK address, or if it is sent to the home of a family member, will it be passed on to Thailand?

The form needs to be signed and witnessed (with a stamp). It won't look too good if it is witnessed by someone in Thailand. Might rouse suspicions.
 
Nothing new.

Usual scaremongering.

This is not aimed directly at OAPs in Thailand who have not declared non-residency - but, as Nick points out it might catch a few out.

Nick - good job we have a Thai Widows stamp with a UK address :smile:

This is aimed at people who have not declared the death of Uk pensioner and have continued to claim the state pension (also applies to private pensions). The latter is probably easier to recover as the widow is likely to receive a widows pension.

With the state pension it is different. Just think of someone you know living in Thailand who is over 65. When they die will their wife (or friends) think of advising DWP ? I would suggest that it is not the first thought that springs into their mind. Possibly will think that the British Embassy do that (they don't).

I have yet to see a case where DWP have offset bereavement benefits against overpaid pension. I am not sure they can because a bereavement benefit is the entitlement of widow and unrelated to the estate of the deceased (which DWP could attempt to claim against).

Talking to a friend this week he said rather than get his wife to claim GBP2,000 Bereavement Payment (with all the rigmarole attached) he would make sure she has his ATM and PIN and she would get GBP2,000 in 15 weeks. Illegal and fraught with risks og going wrong but you can see why people would think like that.
 
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