Extending 'permission to stay' at Kap Cheong

Prakhonchai Nick said:
The vast majority of farangs like to take their wives/girlfriends with them when dealing with anything official. Whilst the visit is in connection with the farang alone, he is invariably sidelined, and the entire conversation is in Thai between the officialdom and the wife/girlfriend.

I have learnt a modicum of Thai in my time here (not always correct but usually sufficient to get things done), and invariably deal with things myself. With one problem concerning the spelling of my daughters name. I attended the Buriram amphur to correct the birth certiificate, and the Prakhonchai amphur to correct the tabien baan (House reg book). I fended off requests for my wife to come along, stating that as the Father I could and would deal with the matter alone. They accepted and it was all smiles later.
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That is fine and I would prefer to operate that way with general officialdom.

With respect, your immigration is somewhat different to EVERYONE on here and you do not experience the unnecessary clamour by immigration to include the 'wife' in the process. I am not married, a wife/partner should not be needed to apply for an extension based on retirement (Coffee is an excellent example of this and I hope he finds time to post his experience) and they should certainly NOT be required to sign anything.

The fact is they are, and in this case it is a comfort blanket for Thai immigration and not the usual (wife's presence) comfort blanket for the Farang. With immigration the wives usually speak when spoken to and the situation does not deteriorate into a 2 Thais vs 1 Farang position as happens with many commercial transactions.

I did hear about one case of a Thai lady who vociferously put her point across that her 'husband' (by virtue of a village wedding) was entitled to an extension based on marriage and no proof of money was required.

I understand that she was quickly put in her place and escorted off the premises.
 
untill now I never had my missus with me at immigration in KC CO-CO, she sometimes was with me travelling down there but always waited for me in our - oeps, her - car. Never had to call her in till now, so next time I hope I can do it alone again ... I'm a big boy you know !!!
 
CO-CO said:
That is fine and I would prefer to operate that way with general officialdom.

With respect, your immigration is somewhat different to EVERYONE on here and you do not experience the unnecessary clamour by immigration to include the 'wife' in the process. I am not married, a wife/partner should not be needed to apply for an extension based on retirement (Coffee is an excellent example of this and I hope he finds time to post his experience) and they should certainly NOT be required to sign anything.

The fact is they are, and in this case it is a comfort blanket for Thai immigration and not the usual (wife's presence) comfort blanket for the Farang. With immigration the wives usually speak when spoken to and the situation does not deteriorate into a 2 Thais vs 1 Farang position as happens with many commercial transactions.

I did hear about one case of a Thai lady who vociferously put her point across that her 'husband' (by virtue of a village wedding) was entitled to an extension based on marriage and no proof of money was required.

I understand that she was quickly put in her place and escorted off the premises.
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She was not escorted off the premises quickly enough when I was there. The lady (or another lady maybe) argued the point for well over 45 minutes before she reluctantly accepted that the IO was was not going to give her 'husband' an extension to stay based on a village marriage. Little did her 'husband' know what he had to do to get formally married either. I bet it came as a big surprise when he eventually found out that he would need a letter from his embassy to say that he was 'Free to Marry', lots of paperwork from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA), a formal registration of their marriage in a town hall of their choosing and a return to the MFA to complete the paper trail. And then he could start work on preparing the second paper trail to satisfy Immigration that he was a suitable candidate for an extension of stay based on marriage. Luckily, I don't think I have seen that happy couple in Immigration since.

P.S. I laughed all the way home about how naive this Farang appeared to be.
 
Croc said:
untill now I never had my missus with me at immigration in KC CO-CO, she sometimes was with me travelling down there but always waited for me in our - oeps, her - car. Never had to call her in till now, so next time I hope I can do it alone again ... I'm a big boy you know !!!
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This time around I was handed a couple of new forms, no English translation, that needed filling in. If your Thai is okay no probs. If not, you may need someone to help you fill in the forms.
 
I find your story about the naive farang incredible. You may of picked up that in the past I was told that I could not get a visa extension based on marriage because I had no original or copy with me of the original flowery Kor Ror 3. I have been married for 15 years, had plenty of Kor Ror 2 printed evidence that I was still married from the Amphur. All not good enough.
Apparently somewhere in Immigration officialdom It is written in blood a K R 3 must be sighted. Got that from The head Super at Immi 1.

On a side note I had to pop in to Immi 1 yesterday to get a Re entry permit. With all the paper being handed over to Immigration, It occurred to me, where do they store all this paper. Think of how much paper one person hands over every time, there must be a mountain of it. Somewhere !
 
To divorce you have to produce the two Kor Ror 3's. I (we) only had one but that didn't cause a great problem as the (Pattaya) IO instructed us to report it lost at police station then with the police report, all was well (thankfully)


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Nick, you are definitely in a category that is beyond small among expats. You are a Permanent Resident though I'm fairly sure that privilege could be pulled if warranted by untoward or illegal actions on your part. You are not a citizen. I have only met one other person in your position though I have heard of others.

Note 1: In a legal disputes within the Kingdom the Thai translation takes precedence unless the contractual agreement or statement clearly states otherwise in Thai language.
Therefore , an applicant will sign said pro-forma in Thai along with the extension paperwork and handing over THB 1900 fee.

Note: The IO's discretion or decision is deemed final. There is the possibility of an appeal to reverse or modify a decision within the system conducted in Thai language utilizing Thai procedural process.
The IO's are officers who are expected to uphold the immigration laws and directions of their departments whether they do so or not to the applicant's expectations. They are not moderators.

Have you ever witnessed or heard of an IO telling an applicant who is clearly not up to snuff to 'fook off' or to quickly end an interview with police intervention. I have not.
No , they simply instruct the applicant what needs to be done and give them some time to do it as long as the applicant is not grievously out-of-line.

Ask yourselves as foreigners living in a foreign land one question.
What exactly is the bad news from Kap Cheong ?
Could it be that they are doing what our countries can barely do regarding "aliens living within our borders".
(my two satang).
 
Coffee said:
Nick, you are definitely in a category that is beyond small among expats. You are a Permanent Resident though I'm fairly sure that privilege could be pulled if warranted by untoward or illegal actions on your part. You are not a citizen. I have only met one other person in your position though I have heard of others.

Note 1: In a legal disputes within the Kingdom the Thai translation takes precedence unless the contractual agreement or statement clearly states otherwise in Thai language.
Therefore , an applicant will sign said pro-forma in Thai along with the extension paperwork and handing over THB 1900 fee.

Note: The IO's discretion or decision is deemed final. There is the possibility of an appeal to reverse or modify a decision within the system conducted in Thai language utilizing Thai procedural process.
The IO's are officers who are expected to uphold the immigration laws and directions of their departments whether they do so or not to the applicant's expectations. They are not moderators.

Have you ever witnessed or heard of an IO telling an applicant who is clearly not up to snuff to 'fook off' or to quickly end an interview with police intervention. I have not.
No , they simply instruct the applicant what needs to be done and give them some time to do it as long as the applicant is not grievously out-of-line.

Ask yourselves as foreigners living in a foreign land one question.
What exactly is the bad news from Kap Cheong ?
Could it be that they are doing what our countries can barely do regarding "aliens living within our borders".
(my two satang).
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Your last paragraph sums up completely what all other countries should be doing with aliens entering their countries.

Aliens can stay in Thailand if they have money to take care of themselves (and families) and behave themselves, They have no rights as such in Thailand, they receive no welfare benefits, but can access the health system if they can pay for it. Isn't that all correct? If you cannot accept those conditions, then you have no right being in Thailand.
 
Coffee said,

"Ask yourselves as foreigners living in a foreign land one question.
What exactly is the bad news from Kap Cheong ?
Could it be that they are doing what our countries can barely do regarding "aliens living within our borders".
(my two satang)."

Exactly. If every country in the world applied the same tests as Thailand there would be a lot fewer problems with migration, illegal immigrants and the like around the whole world.

In fact, the title for this thread was thought up by a PNG'd member. There is a lot of good information on this thread that shows the changes, tribulations and foilables of renewing ones permission to stay in Thailand for a further year. Perhaps the Mods should consider changing the title of this thread to"Extending Permission to Stay at Kap Cheong" or similar and move away from the "Bad News from Kap Cheong" tag.
 
Taking your Thai wife along with you...

well, as you all know, my partner is a Thai male, Nung, and we are not married in any jurisdiction, though we would if we could. Last time (March) that I had to do my annual extension, KCI insisted that Nung came with me, and would not process my application without him. As far as I remember, the IO did not address more than a few words to him (and he was heartily glad to stay out of it), but he had to be there.
 
It seems to be a condition because of THEIR lack of language communication skills then, I'd suggest.


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Last time around my wife came with but sat in the background talking with another Farang, an Aussie we both know quite well. I think she gave the impression to the IO that she was his wife and not mine. At one point he asked if she was with me. Other than that, I sat at the IO desk by myself, she remained in the row of chairs behind. She had helped with the filling in of the new forms in the entrance hall but had nothing to do once inside the inner office or with processing the application to extend. Very similar story to IB's account above.
 
Being able to stand back from all this nonsense, it would seem to me that if it is a marriage extension, then the wife should show her face. A retirement extension is based entirely on the farang, married or not, and I would recommend trying to do it without the wife being there. Should they ask where she is, tell them "she is out working to support me in my retirement" If nothing more it will raise a smile.
 
Prakhonchai Nick said:
Being able to stand back from all this nonsense, it would seem to me that if it is a marriage extension, then the wife should show her face. A retirement extension is based entirely on the farang, married or not, and I would recommend trying to do it without the wife being there. Should they ask where she is, tell them "she is out working to support me in my retirement" If nothing more it will raise a smile.
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I agree 100% and that is what the rules suggest. However, as I have said before, the interpretation/layers that immigration (KCI particularly) put on it make your recommendation less like to succeed. As others have indicated, this is one occasion where having the Thai partner present actually does help.
 
Ivor the Engine said:
It seems to be a condition because of THEIR lack of language communication skills then, I'd suggest.
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Ivor, the IO's have no problem speaking Thai (IMO).

You mean you're an English teacher in Thailand and you can't understand Thai :fearscream: ...or just speak to them in Thai if you are able. I am sure they would appreciate that , don't you ?

Or must the Thai officials have to learn 'too speeka da eng-reesh' so that we big tax-paying farangs can stay in LOS and support our English-speaking wives , gfs , partners and others.

Do some of you ever get the feeling that Thai officialdom basically looks at us and think to themselves , "Why would any sane person want to leave their great country behind that has everything that they obviously want to come to our hovel ?...and yet all they do is complain. I wonder where the majority met their wonderful English speaking ladies. "

Maybe they think to themselves, 'just bring your Thai-halves or other Thai character witness and let us assist you in getting through the process painlessly.' :sleeping:
 
Nowhere in the above posts does it indicate ' bring your Thai partner if you cannot speak Thai'. It seems to be a 'blanket' request to all poor souls who have to abide by KCI's Tom-Foolery.


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nomad97 said:
Coffee said,
In fact, the title for this thread was thought up by a PNG'd member. There is a lot of good information on this thread that shows the changes, tribulations and foilables of renewing ones permission to stay in Thailand for a further year. Perhaps the Mods should consider changing the title of this thread to"Extending Permission to Stay at Kap Cheong" or similar and move away from the "Bad News from Kap Cheong" tag.
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Done
 
Coffee said:
Ivor, the IO's have no problem speaking Thai (IMO).

You mean you're an English teacher in Thailand and you can't understand Thai :fearscream: ...or just speak to them in Thai if you are able. I am sure they would appreciate that , don't you ?

Or must the Thai officials have to learn 'too speeka da eng-reesh' so that we big tax-paying farangs can stay in LOS and support our English-speaking wives , gfs , partners and others.

Do some of you ever get the feeling that Thai officialdom basically looks at us and think to themselves , "Why would any sane person want to leave their great country behind that has everything that they obviously want to come to our hovel ?...and yet all they do is complain. I wonder where the majority met their wonderful English speaking ladies. "

Maybe they think to themselves, 'just bring your Thai-halves or other Thai character witness and let us assist you in getting through the process painlessly.' :sleeping:
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Funny thing about expecting too much. When Oliver was in the Adelaide Mothers and Childrens hospital recently..a Thai interpreter was afforded to Wan from the very first visit. If you sit a driving test, it can be in the language you request. The list goes on and on.
Mind you, Wan's Engrish was better than the translator/interpreter's, but it was still made available.
 
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