gotlost
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Not really. The **** thats out there would blow your mind.
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Not really. The **** thats out there would blow your mind.
CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
The only reasons I can think of for overstay are (1) No money or (b) Criminal activity/intent and/or no money.
I also believe that 99% of overstayers are FULLY aware of what their position - and the consequences of getting caught. That is why most will keep their head below the parapet.
The only person I have met on overstay was about 70 years of age and received a princely 8,000 Baht per month pension - and had no capital behind him. I would agree that he is causing nobody any harm as he quietly whiles away what is left of his life. No family to go back to in his home country.
However, rules is rules and he is staying here illegally - fact. If caught he can have no complaints
He is not 'screwing it up for the rest of us' so whether he is caught or not, will not make a scrap of difference to what we have to go through. Am I jealous or bitter that he doesn't have to jump through the same hoops as me?.... "No" (or 'absolutely not' as JohnB would say
) - I would not want to live like him.Would I 'grass him up' (if indeed I could)?
No - I would probably say "Good luck to the fella".
I fully understand that some would sneer and say "What a waster, 70 years and nothing but a state handout of 8,000 Baht a month to show for it - kick him out of Thailand and let his own country take responsibility for him".
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johnb
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Absolutely agree!The only reasons I can think of for overstay are (1) No money or (b) Criminal activity/intent and/or no money.
I also believe that 99% of overstayers are FULLY aware of what their position - and the consequences of getting caught. That is why most will keep their head below the parapet.
The only person I have met on overstay was about 70 years of age and received a princely 8,000 Baht per month pension - and had no capital behind him. I would agree that he is causing nobody any harm as he quietly whiles away what is left of his life. No family to go back to in his home country.
However, rules is rules and he is staying here illegally - fact. If caught he can have no complaints
He is not 'screwing it up for the rest of us' so whether he is caught or not, will not make a scrap of difference to what we have to go through. Am I jealous or bitter that he doesn't have to jump through the same hoops as me?.... "No" (or 'absolutely not' as JohnB would say
Would I 'grass him up' (if indeed I could)?
No - I would probably say "Good luck to the fella".
I fully understand that some would sneer and say "What a waster, 70 years and nothing but a state handout of 8,000 Baht a month to show for it - kick him out of Thailand and let his own country take responsibility for him".
Prakhonchai Nick
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The only reasons I can think of for overstay are (1) No money or (b) Criminal activity/intent and/or no money.
I also believe that 99% of overstayers are FULLY aware of what their position - and the consequences of getting caught. That is why most will keep their head below the parapet.
The only person I have met on overstay was about 70 years of age and received a princely 8,000 Baht per month pension - and had no capital behind him. I would agree that he is causing nobody any harm as he quietly whiles away what is left of his life. No family to go back to in his home country.
However, rules is rules and he is staying here illegally - fact. If caught he can have no complaints
He is not 'screwing it up for the rest of us' so whether he is caught or not, will not make a scrap of difference to what we have to go through. Am I jealous or bitter that he doesn't have to jump through the same hoops as me?.... "No" (or 'absolutely not' as JohnB would say
Would I 'grass him up' (if indeed I could)?
No - I would probably say "Good luck to the fella".
I fully understand that some would sneer and say "What a waster, 70 years and nothing but a state handout of 8,000 Baht a month to show for it - kick him out of Thailand and let his own country take responsibility for him".
I dislike the phrase "state handout". This was all the state pension he was entitled to, but nevertheless came from his contributions, and along with most of us Brits is frozen!
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Ivor the Engine
Nowhere man
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Sometimes life throws a few 'curve balls' that cannot be put right, ever or easily. We all go along different paths so it's silly to judge others routes.
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Coffee
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The only reasons I can think of for overstay are (1) No money or (b) Criminal activity/intent and/or no money.
I also believe that 99% of overstayers are FULLY aware of what their position - and the consequences of getting caught. That is why most will keep their head below the parapet.
The only person I have met on overstay was about 70 years of age and received a princely 8,000 Baht per month pension - and had no capital behind him. I would agree that he is causing nobody any harm as he quietly whiles away what is left of his life. No family to go back to in his home country.
However, rules is rules and he is staying here illegally - fact. If caught he can have no complaints
He is not 'screwing it up for the rest of us' so whether he is caught or not, will not make a scrap of difference to what we have to go through. Am I jealous or bitter that he doesn't have to jump through the same hoops as me?.... "No" (or 'absolutely not' as JohnB would say
Would I 'grass him up' (if indeed I could)?
No - I would probably say "Good luck to the fella".
I fully understand that some would sneer and say "What a waster, 70 years and nothing but a state handout of 8,000 Baht a month to show for it - kick him out of Thailand and let his own country take responsibility for him".
Co-Co, how he survives on THB 8,000 I can not figure. Yes, sure no harm at first blush.
What happens if or when his health fails terribly ?
Stroke, heart attack , associated diseases that can come on suddenly particularly if one has not had a health check-up in years.
Who is going to pay for his care, procedures et al ?
What Thailand is basically saying is if you are indigent or don't have the money - Please return to your own nation to live. Is that so hard to understand ?
Ivor the Engine
Nowhere man
What if your from Syria?
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
It's a wonder that there are no photos of culprits with IO's pointing their fingers at them!
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(Sorry, couldn't resist)
It's a wonder that there are no photos of culprits with IO's pointing their fingers at them!
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nomad97
Resident Geek
Funnily enough, I have to agree with you Coffee. I do not think I have mentioned it before but during my recent experiences in the Government Hospital in Surin last year I heard many stories from the hospital staff about Farangs and non-payment of hospital bills. Maybe I did not hear the stories directly from the staff but my native minder, my wife, certainly did. Sometimes it seemed that we were an exception to the rule and actually paid for the services provided. All to often we were told, Farangs discharged themselves from the hospital early and walked away without clearing their bills. This is one reason we had to settle our hospital bill every couple of days rather than waiting till the end of the treatment prior to payment. We were also told that some staff members had recommended a 50,000 Baht deposit from all Farangs on entry to the hospital and prior to receiving any treatment at all. Fortunately, this measure met with a lot of resistance and has not been implemented to date. However, it goes to illustrate that some regard the problem of Farangs and non-payment of hospital bills to be a major concern.
I stick by what I said earlier, people staying here illegally make it more onerous for those of us who meet the requirements to stay here legally. And if the reason for overstay is lack of funds, the problem in the Government hospital with non-payment of bills demonstrates the knock-on effect this has on the rest of us.
Ivor the Engine
Nowhere man
The private hospital used to look after your passport until you have paid. That seemed reasonable to me.
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johnb
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That's the kind of customer service you expect from a private hospital.
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Coffee
Guest
Funnily enough , you might be understanding the reality or truth of a situation which is based on fact.
[Funnily enough , you never mentioned that situation about indigent farangs walking off without paying their medical expenses although you did not fail to mention how the English language was not properly spoken or understood.]
In this instance if you really, really feel a need to agree with something I wrote, Nomad - is it okay with you if I completely change my point of view so that you may disagree with what I wrote ?
Surin or Nick , perhaps one of you can assist Nomad in seeing the light of day.
The reason the farangs didn't pay is because they didn't understand what the invoice stated in Thai and that no one spoke to them in proper English. (Foolish people !)
The wonderful foreigner probably figured that since they had not provided an insurance card or credit card in advance of said service it couldn't have been all that much. "Hey, my wife told me it's 35 bhat for Thais so what the heck."
Possibly they were on holiday with tourist visa and they were on their way out of Thailand the next week , so maybe a "they'll never catch me" mindset kicked in.
Prakhonchai Nick
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The Bangkok Pattaya hospital require a down payment before you are admitted, and payment regularly throughout your stay. I imagine that applies throughout the Bangkok Hospital group.
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Coffee
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The 'international hospitals' will not take in patients without coverage. The Government hospital is where the majority of Thai natives go. Sadly some foreigners have taken advantage of the readily available access to treatment before skipping out of their financial obligation.
nomad97
Resident Geek
When I found a private hospital in Bangkok that had the BCG vaccine to treat my cancer I had to pay up front for the full 6 week course of vaccine - some 60,000 Baht or so. Thereafter, it was pay as you go each week for the 6 week treatment schedule.
And, funnily enough, I don't think I will ever understand 'Coffeese'. English was never my strong point at school although I was very proficient in the local Dorset vernacular. When this limited understanding of mine is confronted by the doctored version used by Coffee (that other version of English from across the pond) I quite frequently lose the point. I think this misunderstanding must work in reverse too.
And, funnily enough, I don't think I will ever understand 'Coffeese'. English was never my strong point at school although I was very proficient in the local Dorset vernacular. When this limited understanding of mine is confronted by the doctored version used by Coffee (that other version of English from across the pond) I quite frequently lose the point. I think this misunderstanding must work in reverse too.
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Coffee
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Nomad , if you have problems grasping my tongue and cheek parry found in post # 72 based on past discussions then truly I believe it is almost hopeless for you to expect Thais to come up to your expectations of communication.
I am sure you can read between the lines and well understand the intent and meaning found in my words.
Then again...maybe it is moi who expects too much from the reader.
It is after all a full moon tonight / tonite / 2 nite. Wishing that you enjoy it in its entirety ---ahh hooooo !!!
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gotlost
Kap Chong R Us Member
Up date .. The 3 year local overstayer as of this morning is still in IDC Bangkok. He has he says about 500 companions of all nationalities to keep him company. His cell phone was confiscate by the authorities. He is given an outdoor exercise break twice a week during which time there is a communal phone he can use. This how this information was received. His embassy he says has been contacted and they will contact him to gain information on WHO he wants notified back home to buy is air ticket.
His cell phone was confiscate by the authorities. He is given an outdoor exercise break twice a week during which time there is a communal phone he can use. This how this information was received. His embassy he says has been contacted and they will contact him to gain information on WHO he wants notified back home to buy is air ticket.
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Coffee
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Sdaly mant expecr the Thais to learn-nee the language.
I m wit u GL, write on!
I m wit u GL, write on!