UK PENSION SERVICE LIFE CERTIFICATES

[robjak]

Wonder if the head monk in the local Wat can sign it.

 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Accepted occupations for countersignatories
Your countersignatory must either:

• work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession
• be ‘a person of good standing in their community’

Recognised professions
Examples of recognised professions include:

• accountant
• airline pilot
• articled clerk of a limited company
• assurance agent of recognised company
• bank or building society official
• barrister
• chairman or director of a limited company
• chiropodist
• commissioner for oaths
• councillor, for example local or county
• civil servant (permanent)
• dentist
• director, manager or personnel officer of a VAT-registered company
• engineer with professional qualifications
• financial services intermediary, for example a stockbroker or insurance broker
• fire service official
• funeral director
• insurance agent (full time) of a recognised company
• journalist
• Justice of the Peace
• legal secretary (fellow or associate member of the Institute of Legal Secretaries and PAs)
• licensee of a public house
• local government officer
• manager or personnel officer of a limited company
• member, associate or fellow of a professional body
• Member of Parliament
• Merchant Navy officer
• minister of a recognised religion (including Christian Science)
• nurse (RGN or RMN)
• officer of the armed services
• optician
• paralegal (certified paralegal, qualified paralegal or associate member of the Institute of Paralegals)
• person with honours, for example an OBE or MBE
• pharmacist
• photographer (professional)
• police officer
• Post Office official
• president or secretary of a recognised organisation
• Salvation Army officer
• social worker
• solicitor
• surveyor
• teacher or lecturer
• trade union officer
• travel agent (qualified)
• valuer or auctioneer (fellow or associate members of the incorporated society)
• Warrant Officers and Chief Petty Officers

Professions that are not accepted
Your countersignatory cannot:

• work for HM Passport Office
• be a doctor, unless they state that they know you well (for example they’re a good friend) and that they recognise you easily from your photo

You’ll be asked to find someone else if your countersignatory does not meet the requirements.

It’s a criminal offence to make a false declaration on a passport application.

If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport Adviceline.

Many on the list may not know you very well, but can sign. A policeman, who may have arrested you is ok, as is a publican who knows you as a piss-artist but not a doctor unless they're a good friend!.

Strange!

 

[Yorky]

Accepted occupations for countersignatories
Your countersignatory must either:

• work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession
• be ‘a person of good standing in their community’

Recognised professions
Examples of recognised professions include:

• accountant
• airline pilot
• articled clerk of a limited company
• assurance agent of recognised company
• bank or building society official
• barrister
• chairman or director of a limited company
• chiropodist
• commissioner for oaths
• councillor, for example local or county
• civil servant (permanent)
• dentist
• director, manager or personnel officer of a VAT-registered company
• engineer with professional qualifications
• financial services intermediary, for example a stockbroker or insurance broker
• fire service official
• funeral director
• insurance agent (full time) of a recognised company
• journalist
• Justice of the Peace
• legal secretary (fellow or associate member of the Institute of Legal Secretaries and PAs)
• licensee of a public house
• local government officer
• manager or personnel officer of a limited company
• member, associate or fellow of a professional body
• Member of Parliament
• Merchant Navy officer
• minister of a recognised religion (including Christian Science)
• nurse (RGN or RMN)
• officer of the armed services
• optician
• paralegal (certified paralegal, qualified paralegal or associate member of the Institute of Paralegals)
• person with honours, for example an OBE or MBE
• pharmacist
• photographer (professional)
• police officer
• Post Office official
• president or secretary of a recognised organisation
• Salvation Army officer
• social worker
• solicitor
• surveyor
• teacher or lecturer
• trade union officer
• travel agent (qualified)
• valuer or auctioneer (fellow or associate members of the incorporated society)
• Warrant Officers and Chief Petty Officers

Professions that are not accepted
Your countersignatory cannot:

• work for HM Passport Office
• be a doctor, unless they state that they know you well (for example they’re a good friend) and that they recognise you easily from your photo

You’ll be asked to find someone else if your countersignatory does not meet the requirements.

It’s a criminal offence to make a false declaration on a passport application.

If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport Adviceline.

Strangely enough, although acceptable as countersignatories for passport photographs and life certificates, anyone retired from any of the above professions would not be acceptable to my Isle of Man (Nat West International) bank to verify that the image on my passport is actually me. In the end, they accepted that my daughter's confirmation that I was who I said I was adequate (She is an officer of the Metropolitan Police and signed in her married name).

To put their requirements in perspective, they accepted the return of the envelope and letter which they sent to me as proof of my address.

 

[Ivor the Engine]

Strangely enough, although acceptable as countersignatories for passport photographs and life certificates, anyone retired from any of the above professions would not be acceptable to my Isle of Man (Nat West International) bank to verify that the image on my passport is actually me. In the end, they accepted that my daughter's confirmation that I was who I said I was adequate (She is an officer of the Metropolitan Police and signed in her married name).

To put their requirements in perspective, they accepted the return of the envelope and letter which they sent to me as proof of my address.

How about a retired member of Nat West Bank who surveyed every job-position in the Isle of Man Bank. We were given a room to use next-door to the Chairman and he used to bring us a cuppa every day and gave us (me & my Manager) the use of his Chauffeur. Sadly, We arrived there one week after the TT races had finished but you cant have everything, can you.
Those were fun times!!!!

 

[nomad97]

At least one has a back-up as the emailed copy had a confirmed receipt. Although what happened after receipt is anyone's guess.

Not necessarily. I know what happened after receipt.

Dear Mr Nomad97 ................



So now you know, nothing.

 

[CO-CO]

Not necessarily. I know what happened after receipt.

Dear Mr Nomad97 ................

View attachment 35716

So now you know, nothing.

It is all academic as you simply resolve any issues by phoning them.

 

[Yorky]

Not necessarily. I know what happened after receipt.

Dear Mr Nomad97 ................

View attachment 35716

So now you know, nothing.

Are they saying that their email address is not secure? Did some dick 'ead from DWP not lose a DVD with information from thousands of personnel some years ago?

Notwithstanding that. The certificate has my name, my NI number, my address and telephone number. What unscrupulous activities could be effected with that information?

 

[Yorky]

It is all academic as you simply resolve any issues by phoning them.

And your evidence of that phone call is what? Same evidence as the lack of receipt of a postal acceptance. None!

 

[CO-CO]

And your evidence of that phone call is what? Same evidence as the lack of receipt of a postal acceptance. None!

Are you seriously doubting that what I say is not correct ? Pleeeease...



Multiple cases of evidence...... have a read of Thai Visa.com ; have a read of Dimple Joe's post on Buriram Expats.


Just call IPC and save all this farting around.


Like Thailand, that approach may not work if you speak to the wrong person.

 

[Yorky]

Are you seriously doubting that what I say is not correct ? Pleeeease...



Multiple cases of evidence...... have a read of Thai Visa.com ; have a read of Dimple Joe's post on Buriram Expats.


Just call IPC and save all this farting around.


Like Thailand, that approach may not work if you speak to the wrong person.

That's not evidence. Some guy who is a Thai Visa member!

I ring DWP and tell them that I'm still alive? "OK, thanks". But where is the proof that I rang them? At least with email there is a receipt (unlike their postal service).

 

[CO-CO]

That's not evidence. Some guy who is a Thai Visa member!

I ring DWP and tell them that I'm still alive? "OK, thanks". But where is the proof that I rang them? At least with email there is a receipt (unlike their postal service).

Make as many excuses as you like but there is evidence of Thai Visa and Buriram Expats members phoning IPC and continuing to receipt their pension.


You do understand that by posting back a life a certificate that is no better evidence. Evidence is irrelevant anyway, IPC don't make a drama out of these situations.


Accept it or not..... I don't give a f**k.

 

[Yorky]

Make as many excuses as you like but there is evidence of Thai Visa and Buriram Expats members phoning IPC and continuing to receipt their pension.


Accept it or not..... I don't give a f**k.

I spent 3 weeks arguing with RBSI in Jersey that I had sent two copies of a document which contained much more sensitive information which they were adamant had not been received, "If they were addressed as per the instructions, we would have received them". The address was a PO Box. Eventually both documents were located in another department and I was compensated to the tune of £360.00 for their incompetence.

I am sure that there is evidence that they are still receiving their pensions but where is the evidence of the phone call should that pension payment cease?

 

[CO-CO]

I spent 3 weeks arguing with RBSI in Jersey that I had sent two copies of a document which contained much more sensitive information which they were adamant had not been received, "If they were addressed as per the instructions, we would have received them". The address was a PO Box. Eventually both documents were located in another department and I was compensated to the tune of £360.00 for their incompetence.

I am sure that there is evidence that they are still receiving their pensions but where is the evidence of the phone call should that pension payment cease?

RBSI in Jersey are wankers................ DWP/IPC have proved that they are not.


That means that you are less likely to ever receive any compensation from DWP.

 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

It is all academic as you simply resolve any issues by phoning them.

Someone I am assisiting in Buiriram, duly phoned them, and was told in no uncertain terms that they could not help him!

 

[CO-CO]

Someone I am assisiting in Buiriram, duly phoned them, and was told in no uncertain terms that they could not help him!

As I said..... depends on who you speak to. Dimple Joe and others had better success.

I would guarantee that if YOU phoned them, you would succeed in your task.

 

[Yorky]

Someone I am assisiting in Buiriram, duly phoned them, and was told in no uncertain terms that they could not help him!

However, I did have the situation with the "tax department" of NatWest International (somewhere in the wilds of Norfolk) where the person to whom I was corresponding via email had left the company and they could not access their email correspondence.

 

[Yorky]

As I said..... depends on who you speak to. Dimple Joe and others had better success.

So how do you know whether you are speaking to a ****** or not?

Did Dimple Joe give the name of the officer in order that we are able to speak to a competent employee?

And what day is a good day?

 

[Yorky]

You do understand that by posting back a life a certificate that is no better evidence. Evidence is irrelevant anyway, IPC don't make a drama out of these situations.

Of course I understand that. I've been dealing with Government departments for many years.

 

[Yorky]

I have received a response to my emailed "Life Certificate" as follows:

"Unfortunately for the security and protection of your details we are unable to accept your completed Life Certificate form via email."

At which stage would you think that my details are at risk? (E.g. when the email is sent, when the email is received, when the email is opened upon receipt?)

(I intend to post the document next week in any case).

 

[nomad97]

I have received a response to my emailed "Life Certificate" as follows:

"Unfortunately for the security and protection of your details we are unable to accept your completed Life Certificate form via email."

At which stage would you think that my details are at risk? (E.g. when the email is sent, when the email is received, when the email is opened upon receipt?)

(I intend to post the document next week in any case).

Registered email = 102 baht.